calculating unknown unequal resistor values in a parallel circuit/series circuit

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  1. ngrobertson

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    I have been assigned bonus questions by my ELF 190 Prof @ Seneca College (Fire Protection Engineering Technology Program). The solutions are not in our notes and we are to seek outside help in finding solutions to these problems and return them to class for bonus marks. I need all the help I can get, with the questions and the overall mark. Would this be the rite place to look for assistance with these questions?
     
  2. t_n_k

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    As long as you make an honest attempt at solving any particular problem you should get all the help you need from the forum members.
     
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    I do not know how to begin these equations due to lack of infromation provided deliberately by the prof. My first attempt In the first equation (series circuit) I was given 3 resistors each of different values, one being an unknown value in ohms, yet a value provided in watts. I was provided v (24V) so I divided R1 by Vs to give me I (12 A). Then I took the v divided by I to get 2 ohms. The second question is a parrellel circuit with 3 resistors, 2 values givens in ohms, the third in watts. No V given just I (19 A). I cannot come up with a formula to calculate R3. RT is not given nor is V. Any direction would be appreciated.
     
  4. Jony130

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    But where is the question?
    You want to find Rt = R1||R2 = R1+R2 ??
     
  5. ngrobertson

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    the given information is R1 = 2 ohms, R2 = 4 ohms, R3 = ? ohms,-P3 = 24W. RT = ? I(S) = 19 A, V (E) = ?. Find the value of R3 ?
     
  6. Jony130

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    This value that you provided is for series circuit or for parallel ??

    If for series circuit
    Is = 19A must flow through all resistors.

    P = V*I ---> V = 24W/19A = 1.26315789V
    Or
    P = V*I = I*R * I = I^2*R ---> R3 = P/I^2 = 24W/361A = 0.0664819945Ω
     
  7. ngrobertson

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    this question is for a parallel circuit.
     
  8. Jony130

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    And IS=19A is the total current?
    Is this the case

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  9. ngrobertson

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    Thank you, but the unknown R3 value is in a parallel circuit
     
  10. Jony130

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    For parallel circuit we can replace R1 and R2 with equivalent resistor RT = 4/3Ω

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    So for this circuit we can write
    19A = I1 + I3 (1)

    I1/I3 = R3/RT (2)

    24W = I3^2 * R3 (3)

    So we have three unknowns and three equations.
    So we are able to solve this system of linear equations

    R3 = 2/27Ω or R3 = 24Ω
     
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    How did you get to this part of the equation? If i reaarange the 3rd equation do I not end up with 24W divided by I3 squared (19) equals R3?
     
  12. Jony130

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    Which part?

    From first equation find I1
    19A = I1 + I3 (1)

    From second equation find R3
    I1/I3 = R3/RT (2)

    then substitute I1 from (1) to (2) and R3 from (2) to (3) and solve for I3

    24W = I3^2 * R3 (3)
     
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  13. ngrobertson

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    Thank you for your assistance. You are more experienced than I, I am struggling to absorb these types of equations and I cannot rework ohms law to work thru steps 1 & 2 and end up with the final answer you posted. I have scheduled extra help with my Prof later this week. Thank you again.
     
  14. Jony130

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    Your, circuit look like this

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    And it is clear that R1 and R2 are connect in parallel.
    So we can replace R1 and R2 with a single resistor RT
    RT = R1||R2 = (R1*R2)/(R1+R2) = (4Ω*2Ω)/(4Ω+2Ω) = 8Ω/6Ω = 4/3 = 1.33333333Ω

    We also know that input current is equal Itot = 19A.

    So from the first Kirchhoff's law we can write:
    19A = I1 + I3 (1)
    I1 = 19 - I3
    I3 = 19 - I1
    Now let's try find I1 and I3 currents
    I1 = V/RT
    I3 = V/R3
    V = I1*RT = I3*R3 (In a parallel circuit, the voltage is the same across each resistors)

    First let's find I1 current

    I1*RT = I3*R3 (divided both side by RT)
    I1 = (I3*R3)/RT

    Know from KCL

    Itot = I1 + I3
    I3 = Itot - I1
    I1 = (I3*R3)/RT = (Itot - I1)* R3/RT

    I1 = (Itot - I1)* R3/RT (multiply both sides by RT/R3)
    I1*RT/R3 = Itot - I1 (add I1 to both side)
    I1*RT/R3 + I1 = Itot
    (I1*Rt + R3*I1)/R3 = Itot
    I1*(RT+R3)/R3 = Itot (divided both sides by R3/(RT+R3))

    And finally we end-up with the answer
    I1 = Itot * R3/(RT+R3) (current divider rule)

    If we do the same thing for I3 current we get

    I3 = Itot * RT/(RT+R3)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_divider

    So
    I1/I3 = (Itot*R3)/(RT+R3) * (RT+R3)/ (Itot*RT) = R3/RT

    I1/I3 = R3/RT (2)

    Next, we also know that power dissipated by R3 is equal 24W
    P = V*I = I*R * I = I^2*R
    24W = I3^2*R3 (3)

    So we end up with three equations

    19A = I1 + I3 (1)
    I1/I3 = R3/RT (2)
    24W = I3^2 * R3 (3)

    And this is the end of a job for electronics.
    The rest is just a Math

    From first equation we get
    I1 = 19A - I3
    From second equation we get R3
    I1/I3 = R3/RT (multiply both sides by RT)
    I1/I3 * RT = R3
    R3 = (I1 * RT)/I3 (substitute I1 from (1) I1 = 19 - I3)
    R3 = ((19A - I3)/I3 * 4/3
    R3 = 4*(19 - I3)/3I3 = (76 - 4*I3)/ (3*I3) (know we substitute this to (3) )

    24W = I3^2 * R3

    24 = I3^2*(76 - 4*I3)/(3*I3)

    So we end-up with quadratic equation

    \frac{4}{3} I3^2 - \frac{76}{3} I3 + 24 = 0

    And for example if we use this aplet withe this code
    http://www.wolframalpha.com/

    We get
    I3 = 1A or I3 = 18A
    So if I3 = 1A
    R3 = 4*(19 - I3)/3I3 = ( 76 - 4)/ 3 = 24Ω
    And If I3 = 18A
    R3 = (76 - 72)/54 = 4/54 = 2/27 = 0,0740740741Ω

    And this is the end of your question
     
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