BJT high frequency open circuit time Constant PROBLEM

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  1. acelectr

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    Hi, I am working on high frequency models of the bjts and I am having problems with some calculations. I've attached 2 pics. As it is seen Th, high freq. time constant, equals to the sum of each capacticor multiplied with their seen resistance from their terminals. My problem is with the Cu capacitance. Firstly when checking for equivalent resistance shouldn't we short the voltage source. If so than the cotrolled current gmVpi should be 0 and thus become open. Then how Cu's terminals sees this resistance value R'sig(1+gmR'L)+R'L. What is it that I am missing here????:mad::confused::confused::eek: Is there some other way for estimating this equivalent resistance issue? I also put an Itest(test current source) replacing with Cu and got quite strange result same as the given Cu's equivalent resistance with only R'sig and R'L interchanged positions.

    Appriciate any help;)
     
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  2. Jony130

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    It is not allowed to short voltage-controlled current source.
    As for Cu look in Google Miller effect
     
  3. acelectr

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    I did not mean the conctorlled source but the other small signal voltage source. I know to solve this particular circuit with the miller effect but I am trying to look for another way around. Miller effect may not always save you.
     
  4. acelectr

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    The question is actually, when shourting the voltage source and leaving open all Cpi and CL what is the equivalent resistance looking from Cu??????????????????????
     
  5. Jony130

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    To find equivalent resistance looking from Cu we need to solve this very simple circuit.
    And our equivalent resistance is equal:
    Req = Voltage across current source (Vcs = Va - Vμ) divided by current source current .

    Reg = (Va - Vμ) / Iμ

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    So we can write one nodal equation

    Iμ = ( (-Iμ*Rsig)*gm) + Va/RL (1)

    Solving for Va

    Va = RL*(Iμ + gm*Iμ*Rsig)

    But to find Req we need to know voltage across the current source Vcs

    Vsc = (Va - Vμ) = ( RL*(Iμ + gm*Iμ*Rsig) ) - (-Iu*Rsig)


    Vsc = Iμ*(RL + Rsig + gm*RL*Rsig)

    And Req = Vsc/Iμ = RL + Rsig + gm*RL*Rsig = Rsig (1 + gm*RL) + RL

    So we find the equivalent resistance seen by Cμ
     
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  6. acelectr

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    you rule man thnx.;) I've so got in to these complex transistor stuffs that I think I've forgat some important basic circuit theory :S
     
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