Bean counters?

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  1. GopherT

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    I Agree that it is tougher to get the OP to spill the details (requested in Post 2) if he is already getting solutions.

    Mod edit: This has been moved to Off Topic from this thread:

    http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/threads/how-to-drop-57v-to-54v.106711/

    The OP/TS is not around.
     
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  2. mcgyvr

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    If there is one thing I've learned in my Engineering career its that "the devil is in the details"..
     
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  3. cmartinez

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    only in your engineering career?
     
  4. mcgyvr

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    Don't have time for anything else :)
    (except this board of course)
     
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  5. tcmtech

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    Personally I have found that the devil, or at least his minions, are typically best found in management postions.
     
  6. cmartinez

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    And while you're at it... look for them in the HR department too...
     
  7. tcmtech

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    Interesting so many people have such trouble with the HR dept. I for one have always gotten along with them great no matter what company I was in. Maybe I have a HR personnel type personality so they see me as oneof their own? o_O
     
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  8. cmartinez

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    As long as they don't confuse you with Catbert... ha ha ha... :p
     
  9. BillB3857

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    Don't forget the bean counters. I don't have enough fingers and toes to count the problems they cause.
     
  10. cmartinez

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    it's funny you should call them "bean counters"... we call them "chile counters" (cuentachiles) down here!
     
  11. BillB3857

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    No matter what they are called or where in the world the ply their trade, the all do a lot of damage.
     
  12. GopherT

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    The biggest problem comes when they want to measure profitability of a single product or production line with tax accounting or financial accounting rules when they should be using managerial accounting specific to that line (real selling price - real cash expenses = profit). Once they confuse the situation with depreciation, utilization rates, overhead, ...), there is no way to fill up idle production time with low margin products to keep the machines running. It takes a strong manufacturing engineering team to teach the accountants whats-what sometimes. The bottom line questions is, "do we make more money at the end of the year by doing it or not doing it".
     
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    I stayed out of that 57 volt thread and a lot of others the last couple of days. I seem to be feeling less willing to spend time sorting out misconceptions when I have real work to do. Most of you know about, "winter chores" from a Florida point of view. Must get to the Automotive Dismantling and Recycling Emporium (junk yard) while it's cool enough that I don't spend half my time wiping sweat out of my glasses.''

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  14. cmartinez

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    Good luck in your endeavors...
     
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    Always made it a point to get along with HR, matter of fact married a HR administrator 25 years ago. :)

    As to the thread in question? I tried but gave up real quick when questions went unanswered.

    Ron
     
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    If you run across a left (driver's side) rear window for a 1998 Ford full size van, I'll pay good money for it.
     
  17. wayneh

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    Bean counters aren't alone in mis-applying their tools. I once developed a product idea that would have freed up half the capacity of our plant. I excitedly told the President of the company - a chemical engineer - and he wasn't interested. Fixed costs wouldn't change, and in his opinion we wouldn't be able to sell any more, so all I was doing was creating idle capacity. I picked my jaw up off the floor and backed away slowly.

    My point is, you nailed it. If the engineers don't work and educate the bean counters, awful decisions get made. The death of any company begins when the bean counters gain control. They need to be a service function, like the janitorial crew, not the driver of the business. The people running a company need to know both customers and production, so that the company makes what the customer wants, using resources that the company has uniquely in the market.
     
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  18. JoeJester

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    Interesting concept. Unfortunately investors and owners of a business want a "return on investment." If there were no profit motive, it's a hobby.

    Watch the show "shark tank" ... it provides some insight on investors and businesses.
     
  19. cmartinez

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    Good show... but I'm more partial to watching "Dragon's Den" ... ;)
     
  20. GopherT

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    Engineers know as well as accountants what is profitable. It is a question of who eventually answers to whom that sets the pecking order and culture of an organization. If the accountants start asking questions and manufacturing has no reasonable answers, the CEO starts wondering why there are no good answers and power goes to the financial team. If accountants implement KPIs that make no sense, engineering should challenge the KPIs and ask for justification. Life becomes much more pleasant when you work to reasonable goals that drive profitability rather than simply driving more "green lights" on the kpi chart.
     
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