basic question about signals

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  1. bhuvanesh

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    signal cannot be both energy and power at the same time ,why?. Need justification.
     
  2. WBahn

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    What is the definition of an energy signal?

    What is the definition of a power signal?

    What is the energy of a power signal?

    What is the power of an energy signal?
     
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  3. bhuvanesh

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    energy signal
    signal does not lose(or dissipate or transfer) its energy.example any non periodic signal except u(t)

    power signal
    signal which lose its energy(or dissipate or transfer). Example sin (ac current lose its electric energy as heat while passing through ressistor or all periodic signal are power signal )

    energy of power signal is infinity because power is energy transfer in time and energy running sum of power of adding all power gives infinity

    power of energy is zero ,because dividing finite energy by infinite period give zero
     
  4. ErnieM

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    I have no idea what your signal mean.

    As far as your energy vs power goes, while your math is correct your conclusion is meaningless. Sometimes we turn things off so a finite amount of energy can supply some non zero power.
     
  5. WBahn

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  6. bhuvanesh

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    i got some stuffs form the link above ,still i have confusion, i sate what are those

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    could you explain this briefly
    2)This is your statement form the first link you have given
    consider step signal ,here the energy is infinite over all time but the power is not finite over all time . It is finite only for 0 to infinity and not for minus infinity to 0 still we say it has power signal .why?
     
  7. WBahn

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    What is the average power of ANY signal that has finite energy over all time?

    How you are coming to the conclusion that the power in a step signal is infinite from minus infinity to 0?
     
  8. bhuvanesh

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    zero, since energy divided by entire period is zero
    power is energy per time and its constant for all period .if i say the sine wave has power 2(it mean 2 units of energy spent per unit time OVER ENTIRE PERIOD).and in unit step there is no signal for minus infinity to zero so how could we say power for that .am i making any sense
     
  9. WBahn

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    If a signal is zero, what is the power in that signal? Hint: It is NOT infinite!
     
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  10. bhuvanesh

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    if a signal is zero over finite period then energy is zero and so power is also zero.am i right?
     
  11. WBahn

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    Yes.
     
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  12. bhuvanesh

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    okay then come back to our question power should be constant over entire period but power of u(t) is 1/2 we know that but you itself said power of u(t) is 0 for period minus infinity to zero then how a signal has two power
     
  13. WBahn

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    Where are you getting this notion that power should be constant? A power signal is one in which AVERAGE POWER is FINITE. Consider a sine wave. The power is fluctuating at twice the frequency of the waveform and varies from zero to some maximum value. But the AVERAGE POWER is FINITE, meaning that it is NOT INFINITE.

    If the AVERAGE POWER of u(t) over all time is 0.5, is that finite or infinite? If it is finite, then u(t) is a power signal.
     
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  14. bhuvanesh

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    okay i got your point.Thanks
     
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