# Average/Mean and RMS value of AC signal

Discussion in 'General Electronics Chat' started by uetonian, Mar 27, 2004.

1. ### uetonian Thread Starter New Member

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Average/Mean and RMS value of AC signal

2. ### Dave Retired Moderator

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What specifics are you wanting to know?

For a general sinusoidal wave:

RMS = 1/√2 x the amplitude ~ 0.707 x amplitude

Average = 2/π x the amplitude ~ 0.636 x amplitude

For more arbitrary waves further analysis is required. Does this help? If not post back with what specifically is your problem and we'll see what we can do.

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3. ### Dave Retired Moderator

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4. ### pawankumar Member

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avg.value of sine is 1/2∏∫sin θ.dθ..how do you get 2/∏.(integration gives 0)?

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5. ### russ_hensel Distinguished Member

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the average is 0. people usually mean the average of the absolute value.

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6. ### KL7AJ AAC Fanatic!

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He he! That used to be one of the trick questions on the old FCC radiotelegraph test!

Eric

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7. ### zgozvrm Member

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RMS can be thought of as the "DC equivalent" value of the AC signal.

On a graph, it is the "straight-line" value such that the area bounded by it and the X-axis (at the top and bottom) from 0 degrees to 360 degrees is equal to the area bounded by the X-axis and the 2 half-cycles of the sine wave.

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8. ### pawankumar Member

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thanks everyone...this was my first post in this forum.since i am new to electronics,my doubts might seem stupid.please bear with me..they are geniune.
thanks in advance to the senior members and everyone who are going to reply me for my queries
regds,
pawankumar

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9. ### The Electrician AAC Fanatic!

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What you have described is the average of the absolute value of the AC signal, not the RMS value.

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10. ### pawankumar Member

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when both values are more or less equal,why do we need two quantities describing it?and,what is absolute value?(i m weak in math..pls dont mistake me)

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11. ### The Electrician AAC Fanatic!

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For a sine wave, the average and RMS differ by more than 10%. When making electrical measurements, one should aspire to do much better than that.

For other waveforms, such as the very spiky current drawn by non-powerfactor corrected compact fluorescent lamps, the difference can be much more.

The average absolute value is appropriate when the quantity of charge transported is relevant, such as when charging batteries.

The RMS value is relevant when power is the parameter of interest.

The absolute value of a number is its value without considering sign. Negative numbers become positive and positive numbers remain positive.

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