My home HVAC systems include electronic air cleaners that utilize air flow sensor modules to determine when to turn on and off. I have separate HVAC systems for upstairs and downstairs, so I have two modules. A module is a small daughter cards that plug into the power supply. Unfortunately, the thermistors that detect the air flow have literally fallen off of their leads!
The problem I'm having now is I don't know the specs for the replacement thermistors I need to buy, or how to ultimately recalibrate the modules. In the interest of trying to answer my own questions, I have been trying to analyze the circuit. While I can see a resemblance to some of the examples in the op-amp documentation on this site, I don't think any of the examples quite equate what I'm seeing. Any guidance on how to repair the modules or continue with my analysis is greatly appreciated!
As far as what I know about the original thermistor, the documentation indicates that it self heats to around 130F. I know that the thermistor is an NTC type since the resistance increases as the temperature drops. Also, I was able to measure the resistance of one of them at 115 ohms at ~25C, and 150 ohms at ~0C. Unfortunately, I unsuccessfully tried to resolder the leads on the other one and think I damaged it in the process, as it provides really bizarre readings.
As far as the circuit, I have included my Spice net list below. Basically, there are two separate voltage dividers that are used to feed the Vin+ and Vin- pins on an LM358 op-amp. The op-amp is configured with positive feedback. I can't quite figure out what the op-amp is measuring the voltage difference between though. I have figured out that if I make the resistance of the thermistor above 60 ohms then Vout turns on (except exactly when the thermistor equals 68 ohms, which I don't understand at all).
Here is my Spice net list:
Air Flow Sensor Module
# Actual circuit has 24VAC input converted to 18VDC
vdc 4 0 dc 18
# First voltage divider connected to Vin- on op-amp
# R2 is thermistor; ~115 ohms @ 25C
r2 4 5 60
r3 5 0 68
# Second voltage divider connected to Vin+ on op-amp
r4 4 6 5.1k
# R5 and R6 are two halves of 5.0k ohm potentiometer
r5 6 7 2.5k
r6 7 0 2.5k
# LM358 Dual Operational Amplifier
# Pins are (Vin+, Vin-, Vcc+, Vcc-, Vout)
x3 7 5 4 0 8 LM358
r7 7 8 2.76m
# X4 appears to be unused part of op-amp despite it is not floating
#x4 0 9 4 0 9 LM358
# D2 is infrared LED part of a 4N32 optoisolator
r8 8 10 1k
d2 10 0 dref
.INCLUDE LM358.LIB
.MODEL dref d
.TRAN 0.01m 100mm
.END
Thanks!
Chris
The problem I'm having now is I don't know the specs for the replacement thermistors I need to buy, or how to ultimately recalibrate the modules. In the interest of trying to answer my own questions, I have been trying to analyze the circuit. While I can see a resemblance to some of the examples in the op-amp documentation on this site, I don't think any of the examples quite equate what I'm seeing. Any guidance on how to repair the modules or continue with my analysis is greatly appreciated!
As far as what I know about the original thermistor, the documentation indicates that it self heats to around 130F. I know that the thermistor is an NTC type since the resistance increases as the temperature drops. Also, I was able to measure the resistance of one of them at 115 ohms at ~25C, and 150 ohms at ~0C. Unfortunately, I unsuccessfully tried to resolder the leads on the other one and think I damaged it in the process, as it provides really bizarre readings.
As far as the circuit, I have included my Spice net list below. Basically, there are two separate voltage dividers that are used to feed the Vin+ and Vin- pins on an LM358 op-amp. The op-amp is configured with positive feedback. I can't quite figure out what the op-amp is measuring the voltage difference between though. I have figured out that if I make the resistance of the thermistor above 60 ohms then Vout turns on (except exactly when the thermistor equals 68 ohms, which I don't understand at all).
Here is my Spice net list:
Air Flow Sensor Module
# Actual circuit has 24VAC input converted to 18VDC
vdc 4 0 dc 18
# First voltage divider connected to Vin- on op-amp
# R2 is thermistor; ~115 ohms @ 25C
r2 4 5 60
r3 5 0 68
# Second voltage divider connected to Vin+ on op-amp
r4 4 6 5.1k
# R5 and R6 are two halves of 5.0k ohm potentiometer
r5 6 7 2.5k
r6 7 0 2.5k
# LM358 Dual Operational Amplifier
# Pins are (Vin+, Vin-, Vcc+, Vcc-, Vout)
x3 7 5 4 0 8 LM358
r7 7 8 2.76m
# X4 appears to be unused part of op-amp despite it is not floating
#x4 0 9 4 0 9 LM358
# D2 is infrared LED part of a 4N32 optoisolator
r8 8 10 1k
d2 10 0 dref
.INCLUDE LM358.LIB
.MODEL dref d
.TRAN 0.01m 100mm
.END
Thanks!
Chris