Hi All,
I have lurked here for years reading and learning constantly. I work during the day at a hospital, and am good friends with one of the researchers where we sometimes collaborate. In this case we want to time a very tiny event, and since this is on the side, we have no real funds. I do have a pretty well stocked project corner.
I have already started assembling the project, and some photos will be forthwith when I have a bit more time. I figure this is a great learning thing and so others can learn from the thread as I progress.
I have done lots of small one offs. Timers, one shots, some pic stuff, but do not want to use pic for this.
I am shooting for a 10mhz clock speed, and do not want to use a pic micro.
So think of it as a very accurate stop watch. I have Vishay clock timers in various speeds, one being 10mhz. (I also have max high frequency waveform generator, and if I get the counting block working well, I may turn to MAX038 to give a wide range of selectable time bands).
Ultimately I am trying not to buy any parts as part of the challenge. J
And the main impetus on this is that I am trying Manhattan Construction, and so far, for me its great!!! That is, I can spend a lot more of my time at a work table rather than with calculator, simulator, looking up stuff, etc. I solder very well and fast. I cut my nodes with a jewlers saw. Use a touch of sandpaper on the end of an eraser to prepare the board, and use cyano acrylate. I am a bit lazy when it comes to flux, so I use what stained glass people use, and thats a solution of zinc chloride. A jar from stained glass supply, and your set for life (just make sure to clean your board when your done soldering). By using this one can solder a joint in under a second. Great soldered joints every time. Been using it for years, never had circuit fail on me. Saves me time cleaning the board (will work on oxidized).
[I am still new to Manhattan construction, and am developing my own style. How new? How about one week new. But I have been able to build more circuits in this one week than I usually do in a half a year or more given time constraints and effort required. Its turning out so far to be Manhattan construction with a mix of all different kinds of parts, including 1206 capacitors. Dead bug too, with a bit of using a wire wrap tool to get wire tightly on the pins to be soldered]
Power for the device can be a wall wart ranging from 6 to 24 volts (or in a pinch I can use a lantern battery). I have already assembled a standard power jack to regulated supply using LM317M. I can add another regulated stages if I have to (and increase the supply).
Right now I have selected SN74LS160S synchronous decimal counters for the main part.
The counter will have seven places to start with as thats what fits on the board.
Though using Manhattan method I can just glue an extension to the board and add a few chips (which is another reason to regulate each row of chips)
Their output will end up connecting to DM74LS47 decoders (with open collector outputs). I have both common cathode and anode numbers.
For a clock I am using a vf150 I removed from a router. Its a ttl compatible clock oscillator in a can. I have a bunch of them, but I am eying a 1 mhz, and 10 mhz (hopefully being able to drive my event timer with that). given I can change construction,
I was going to start with a 555 timer board I have and use that as timer input to test the circuits operation, then make a timing block.. using two octal D flipflops as divide by.
Using different outputs of the flip flops will give the stop watch different bands of timing operation. (of course with declining accuracy).
The other part I will have to work out is how to make detectors to allow for accurate trigger and release of events but I will worry bout that when I get to it.
Right now I am trying to figure out if I need to add another regulator for the ls47, or can I power all 14 chips with the one LM317, and use a different regulator (higher) for LED voltages
The other thing is trying to see what the circuit for trailing 0 removal taking certain pins low by connecting them from highest digit to lowest.
Whats a good way to do quick calculations as to how much mA the chips are going to require. Whats a good rule of thumb?
Boy is this FUN!!!
and yes I want the counter to be counting up, its a stop watch, not a alarm timer
we ultimately want to time an event that happens at about a 10000th a second and just have to show that the idea is good enough (knowing that there are much better electronics people and chips available).
We figure 10,000,000 cycles should give us a close enough measure for 10,000th of a second if not.. then I will have to make something better using other chips.
the above is how the voltage regulator turned out...
and below is how far i got on wiring the power...
I have lurked here for years reading and learning constantly. I work during the day at a hospital, and am good friends with one of the researchers where we sometimes collaborate. In this case we want to time a very tiny event, and since this is on the side, we have no real funds. I do have a pretty well stocked project corner.
I have already started assembling the project, and some photos will be forthwith when I have a bit more time. I figure this is a great learning thing and so others can learn from the thread as I progress.
I have done lots of small one offs. Timers, one shots, some pic stuff, but do not want to use pic for this.
I am shooting for a 10mhz clock speed, and do not want to use a pic micro.
So think of it as a very accurate stop watch. I have Vishay clock timers in various speeds, one being 10mhz. (I also have max high frequency waveform generator, and if I get the counting block working well, I may turn to MAX038 to give a wide range of selectable time bands).
Ultimately I am trying not to buy any parts as part of the challenge. J
And the main impetus on this is that I am trying Manhattan Construction, and so far, for me its great!!! That is, I can spend a lot more of my time at a work table rather than with calculator, simulator, looking up stuff, etc. I solder very well and fast. I cut my nodes with a jewlers saw. Use a touch of sandpaper on the end of an eraser to prepare the board, and use cyano acrylate. I am a bit lazy when it comes to flux, so I use what stained glass people use, and thats a solution of zinc chloride. A jar from stained glass supply, and your set for life (just make sure to clean your board when your done soldering). By using this one can solder a joint in under a second. Great soldered joints every time. Been using it for years, never had circuit fail on me. Saves me time cleaning the board (will work on oxidized).
[I am still new to Manhattan construction, and am developing my own style. How new? How about one week new. But I have been able to build more circuits in this one week than I usually do in a half a year or more given time constraints and effort required. Its turning out so far to be Manhattan construction with a mix of all different kinds of parts, including 1206 capacitors. Dead bug too, with a bit of using a wire wrap tool to get wire tightly on the pins to be soldered]
Power for the device can be a wall wart ranging from 6 to 24 volts (or in a pinch I can use a lantern battery). I have already assembled a standard power jack to regulated supply using LM317M. I can add another regulated stages if I have to (and increase the supply).
Right now I have selected SN74LS160S synchronous decimal counters for the main part.
The counter will have seven places to start with as thats what fits on the board.
Though using Manhattan method I can just glue an extension to the board and add a few chips (which is another reason to regulate each row of chips)
Their output will end up connecting to DM74LS47 decoders (with open collector outputs). I have both common cathode and anode numbers.
For a clock I am using a vf150 I removed from a router. Its a ttl compatible clock oscillator in a can. I have a bunch of them, but I am eying a 1 mhz, and 10 mhz (hopefully being able to drive my event timer with that). given I can change construction,
I was going to start with a 555 timer board I have and use that as timer input to test the circuits operation, then make a timing block.. using two octal D flipflops as divide by.
Using different outputs of the flip flops will give the stop watch different bands of timing operation. (of course with declining accuracy).
The other part I will have to work out is how to make detectors to allow for accurate trigger and release of events but I will worry bout that when I get to it.
Right now I am trying to figure out if I need to add another regulator for the ls47, or can I power all 14 chips with the one LM317, and use a different regulator (higher) for LED voltages
The other thing is trying to see what the circuit for trailing 0 removal taking certain pins low by connecting them from highest digit to lowest.
Whats a good way to do quick calculations as to how much mA the chips are going to require. Whats a good rule of thumb?
Boy is this FUN!!!
and yes I want the counter to be counting up, its a stop watch, not a alarm timer
we ultimately want to time an event that happens at about a 10000th a second and just have to show that the idea is good enough (knowing that there are much better electronics people and chips available).
We figure 10,000,000 cycles should give us a close enough measure for 10,000th of a second if not.. then I will have to make something better using other chips.
the above is how the voltage regulator turned out...
and below is how far i got on wiring the power...
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