About very familiar “ Electron”.

Discussion in 'Physics' started by socratus, Nov 30, 2015.

  1. socratus

    Thread Starter Member

    Mar 26, 2012
    About very familiar “ Electron”.
    Nobody knows why electron has six ( 6 ) formulas :
    a) Planck and Einstein found the energy of electron as: E=h*f
    b) Sommerfeld found the formula of an electron as : e^2=ah*c
    c) Dirac found two (2) more formulas of electron’s energy:
    +E=Mc^2 and -E=Mc^2
    d) According to QED in interaction with vacuum electron’s
    energy is infinite: E= ∞
    e) Electron tied with atom by the energy: E=-me^4/2h*^2= -13,6eV
    Nobody knows what electron is.
    Physics is about behavior of matter.
    Quantum physics is about behavior of quantum particles.
    It is not Physics that gives behavior to matter; instead
    it is behavior of matter that gives Physics theme of thinking.
    “We know electron by what it does, not by what it is.”
    Electron has six (6) formulas it means that this electron can be in
    six different states and electron can come from one state to another.
    To come from one state to another one must be some mechanism
    of changes. What is mechanism of its changes? Nobody gives answer.
    Scientists and Philosophers must give answer.
    “One thing I have learned in a long life:
    that all our science, measured against reality, is primitive
    and childlike - and yet it is the most precious thing we have.”
  2. socratus

    Thread Starter Member

    Mar 26, 2012
    =…">Sixteen Elements of the Electron in Vedic Particle Physics
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    The electron is composed of sixteen parts, in Vedic Particle Physics,
    which is a notion contrary to ...
    The sixteen parts of the electron indicate that the electron.
    Fundamental properties[edit]
    Electrons have an electric charge of −1.602×10−19 coulomb,[67]
    which is used as a standard unit of charge for subatomic particles,
    and is also called the elementary charge.
    This elementary charge has a relative standard uncertainty of 2.2×10−8.[67]
    Within the limits of experimental accuracy, the electron charge is identical
    to the charge of a proton, but with the opposite sign.[70]
    As the symbol e is used for the elementary charge, the electron is
    commonly symbolized by e−, where the minus sign indicates the negative
    The positron is symbolized by e+ because it has the same properties
    as the electron but with a positive rather than negative charge.[66][67]
    The electron has an intrinsic angular momentum or spin of 1⁄2.[67]
    This property is usually stated by referring to the electron as a
    spin-1⁄2 particle.[66]
    For such particles the spin magnitude is √3⁄ 2 ħ.[note 3] while the result
    of the measurement of a projection of the spin on any axis can only be ±ħ⁄2.
    In addition to spin, the electron has an intrinsic magnetic moment along
    its spin axis.[67]
    It is approximately equal to one Bohr magneton,[71][note 4] which is a
    physical constant equal to 9.27400915(23)×10−24 joules per tesla.[67]
    The orientation of the spin with respect to the momentum of the electron
    defines the property of elementary particles known as helicity.[72]

    The electron has no known substructure.[1][73] and it is assumed to be
    a point particle with a point charge and no spatial extent.[8]
    In classical physics, the angular momentum and magnetic moment of
    an object depend upon its physical dimensions.
    Hence, the concept of a dimensionless electron possessing these properties
    might seem paradoxical and inconsistent to experimental observations
    in Penning traps which point to finite non-zero radius of the electron.

    A possible explanation of this paradoxical situation is given below in the
    "Virtual particles" subsection by taking into consideration
    the Foldy-Wouthuysen transformation.

    The issue of the radius of the electron is a challenging problem of the
    modern theoretical physics. The admission of the hypothesis of a finite
    radius of the electron is incompatible to the premises of the theory of
    relativity. On the other hand, a point-like electron (zero radius)
    generates serious mathematical difficulties due to the self-energy of the
    electron tending to infinity.[74]
    These aspects have been analyzed in detail by
    Dmitri Ivanenko and Arseny Sokolov.

    Observation of a single electron in a Penning trap shows the upper limit of the
    particle's radius is 10−22 meters.[75] There is a physical constant called the
    "classical electron radius", with the much larger value of 2.8179×10−15 m,
    greater than the radius of the proton. However, the terminology comes from a
    simplistic calculation that ignores the effects of quantum mechanics; in reality,
    the so-called classical electron radius has little to do with the true
    fundamental structure of the electron.[76][note 5]
    Sixteen Elements of the Electron in Vedic Particle Physics
  3. BR-549

    Well-Known Member

    Sep 22, 2013
    “We know electron by what it does, not by what it is.”

    That has been the mantra of science for 100 years. How’s that working out for you?

    Do you need more equations? If I gave you 100 more, then would you understand?

    This philosophy killed real science. Outlaw symbol mechanics.

    You will never know what an electron does.......until you know what it is.

    And I know what one is.

    Energy has structure. All science has is abstract math.
  4. socratus

    Thread Starter Member

    Mar 26, 2012
    Electron has no constant radius.
    The radius, volume, mass, energy of an electron depends on its speed.
    What is minimum radius of an electron?
    What is maximal radios of an electron?
  5. BR-549

    Well-Known Member

    Sep 22, 2013
    An electron does have a constant radius for the power level. This is the so called quantum effect of a particle’s energy level.

    Particle science has stagnated since the observation of this. And for 100 years we have had no clear definition of inertia(mass).

    I don’t know what the min radius is. I know that there is a min, and that min will be the same for both – and + charge.

    I know that the max radius for both is around 6 X 10E –13 meters. This is very surprising, and of lot of people say this is too big.

    Many experimenters say they can’t find anything down to 10E –20 meters.

    I believe this is because the ring is so thin. People think that you can’t get smaller than Plank’s constants.

    Plank’s constants are based on the radius of R. But there’s another, much smaller CHARGE radius, r.

    But there is an easier way. The circumference of the ring is the wavelength of the particle's frequency.
  6. socratus

    Thread Starter Member

    Mar 26, 2012
    a) About a “little blob of a definite amount” (electron) Feynman wrote:
    “ It is important to realize that in physics today,
    we have no knowledge of what energy is.
    We do not have a picture that energy comes in little
    blobs of a definite amount. “

    b) How does single electron (having six formulas) obey
    “ The Law of conservation and transformation energy / mass”?

    c) Quote by Heinrich Hertz on Maxwell's equations:
    "One cannot escape the feeling that these mathematical formulae
    have an independent existence and an intelligence of their own,
    that they are wiser than we are, wiser even than their discoverers,
    that we get more out of them than was originally put into them."
  7. BR-549

    Well-Known Member

    Sep 22, 2013
    It truly amazes me how many modern educated scientists believe that.

    Our greatest mines believe in magic.

    Math is simply symbol mechanics, and that's all.

    There is no meaning in math.
  8. KL7AJ

    Senior Member

    Nov 4, 2008
    The beauty of our universe is that we DO have so many ways of modeling things in a non-mutually exclusive manner. These all describe different aspects of the same particle....all of which are compatible.
  9. KL7AJ

    Senior Member

    Nov 4, 2008
    While the electron has no "size" itself, it certainly has a finite "personal space" which is, from a practical viewpoint, much more important.