9V power supply problem

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  1. brozizds

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    OK I wired my 9V supply split and feed the 8 timers but now when one timer is running and I switch the next one on the first timer goes off (sometimes) way befor the time is over. Do I need to have different power supplies for each timer or is there another solution ? Thanks:)http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/showpost.php?p=287856&postcount=7
     
  2. KMoffett

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    Have you measured the voltage of your 9v battery when this happens? PP3 batteries can't supply much current.

    Ken
     
  3. brozizds

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    ty for your responce I am not using batts. I'm using a 9V power supply at 800 m Amp. to power 8 of these timers. I have tried to isolate them by wiring 8 diff. leads on pos. and neg sides but the timers still go off when I start another. Thanks:( PS I have powered one of these timers with 9V @ 9m Amp
     
  4. mtripoli

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    What do you have for decoupling on each circuit? I'd try putting a big honking (technical term) electrolytic across pins 1 and 8. If you're getting some kind of ground bounce or spike on Vcc it could be resetting the 555. Something like 100-470uF...

    Mike T.
     
  5. retched

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    Are you using decoupling/bypass caps? If you are not, the switching action of the timers and the powersupply could cause the timers to go awry.

    http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/showthread.php?t=45583&highlight=decoupling+cap

    Adding a larger cap across the powersupply pins will help keep the power from sagging.

    This sag will trigger the 555s

    Are you building this EXACTLY as shown? No changes? no "I didn't have that, so I used this in stead"?
     
  6. brozizds

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    Thanks Guys , Maybe this will help. I am using the circuit I hyperlinked on my first entry but also some of this one ( adding a variable resistor)http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/projects/timer.htm, with Bill Marsdens help I did get all eight timers working perfectly as I need them . I started an earlier thread on 9V power supply to find out how many mA I would need to power all 8 timers from one wall wart and 800 mA does fine, but as you can see in this tread I'm having Probs.(Please keep in mind I'm a 58 yr. old newbie) so if someone can help I would appreacate it ! Do you guys need any more details? Thanks Jim
    :)
     
  7. SgtWookie

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    As has already been mentioned at least twice, you need bypass/decoupling capacitors across the power supply and across each 555 timer IC.

    For 555 timers, pin 1 is Gnd and pin 8 is Vcc. You need to connect a 0.1uF capacitor across these two pins on every timer. This means you need eight additional 0.1uF caps.

    You also need at least one electrolytic cap across your 9v DC supply, somewhere in close vicinity to your board.

    Please review this thread: http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/showthread.php?t=45583

    Long interconnecting wires will cause problems, as they are inductive; the longer the wires, the greater the inductance. You should keep your wires as short as possible.
     
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  8. brozizds

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    Tx. Sgt.Wookie,
    would you have an idea on what μF I would need for the power supply E caps? And will I need 8 of them 1 for each board? Thanks again Jim
     
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  9. Kermit2

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    You need eight small ones .1 or 1.0 uF for the timer IC's, and one large one for the power rails

    Almost any value would work for the power rail cap. Preferably something larger than 1 uF. I would suggest anything with three digits . (100uF to 680uF)

    Check and be sure it is rated for more than 9 VDC. Some small caps are rated 6 volt. A RAdio shack store would be a good place to look. I think they have an electrlytic 'grab bag' for 7.95 or something like that.
     
  10. SgtWookie

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    I didn't know you had individual boards.

    Each 555 timer will then require a minimum of a 0.1uF (100nF) capacitor, metal poly film or ceramic, across the Vcc/GND pins, and you will need at least one electrolytic cap per board. 100uF to 470uF would likely be OK.

    If you have long interconnecting wires, that could be a problem, as they will "ring" or oscillate at high frequency for a period of time after the 555 output changes states.

    It would help a great deal if you could post (a) photo(s) of your project.
     
  11. SgtWookie

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    Brozizds,
    You attempted to post an image that's in your E-mail account. You're the only person that can see it.

    Please edit your post, delete the link you put in, and then click the "Go Advanced" button at the bottom.

    Then click the "Manage Attachments" at the bottom of the next screen. Upload the image from your computer's disk drive.
    .jpg images are OK for photos. .png images are preferred for schematics.
     
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  12. brozizds

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    ok I did the attchment I think lol
     
  13. SgtWookie

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    I see lots of long wires and no bypass caps!
     
  14. Wendy

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    Sorry about that guy, I should have mentioned that on the other threads.

    You need a filter cap on every board, close to the 555. Something like this should work, you may be able to get rid of the resistors. The idea is suppress the pulses between the units, and the exact values of the caps aren't that critical (as long as they are large). One problem you may run into though, really large caps can overload your wall wart (if that is what you're using). What did you end up with anyhow?

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  15. brozizds

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    Bill,
    Thanks for the sketch and I am using a 9V 800mA wallwart. When I was testing each board I was using a 9V batt. eliminator @ 9mA and it worked fine on single board app. Thank you again been a while Jim
    PS. Do you think I will have to increase mA with the additional load?
     
  16. brozizds

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    Bill,
    This is the latest photo of completed boards mounted on base! And my wallwart is 1.0A not 800 mA
     
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  17. brozizds

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    Ok here is a pic of up dated board is this what I need? I added a o.1μF between Pins 1 and 8 and installed a 100μF E- cap at power in . Hows it look?
     
  18. Wendy

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    It is a start, try it and see. Odds are you will need a 100µF cap on each board.
     
  19. brozizds

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    Yes , I already got the caps and will install and try i'll post when finished . Thanks Jim
     
  20. brozizds

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    Thanks Guys, I installed the caps on all the boards and they all work perfect! Thank you again, Jim;)
    PS. And thanks from my brother in law @ Unkle Bucks BBQ Pit!
     
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