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10-14-2007, 04:06 PM
 recca02 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: India-22.35° N 82.68° E. Posts: 1,211
SCR firing in an inverter

I am supposed to give a presentation on VFD
so i thought of having a Load commutated inverter circuit simulated.
so i first tried to make an inverter circuit using matlab simulink
the problem that i am encountering is when i turn on a SCR it is supposed to remain on until it gets reverse biased (right?)
so how do i turn it off in case of an inverter which has constant polarity DC at its input?

i gave firing using a pulse generating circuit which had an on for 10 % of cycle and i kept the firing pulse period = o/p voltage frequency?
but i only got the desired o/p for first cycle(only monitored one phase )
after which the SCR remained on, any ideas on what i might be doing wrong?
did i set the firing times incorrectly?(i'll post all details if required -amplitude,Ton
circuit i designed and waveform that i obtained )
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#2
10-14-2007, 04:16 PM
 pebe Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 620

If you are going to give a presentation, take a tip.
Red lines on a blue background looks awful! Stick to a white background.
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10-14-2007, 05:14 PM
 recca02 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: India-22.35° N 82.68° E. Posts: 1,211

oh they are not the ones i'll use for presentation
they were taken from another presentation though
anyways thanks for the tip will keep that in mind.
#4
10-14-2007, 05:29 PM
 beenthere Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Missouri, USA (GMT -6) Posts: 15,815 Blog Entries: 10

Once triggered, SCR's will remain in conduction under DC conditions (assuming foreward bias). I recall a Coufelt VVP-15 electrofishing controller that used a second SCR to pull the main one out of conduction for pulsed operation. The secondary SCR pulled charge onto a capacitor that in turn dropped the voltage across the conducting SCR and dropped it out of conduction.

This is a very kludgy way to do things, but it worked. I don't have the schematics available to see just how the arrrangement was made.

It would be helpful to see the details of the trigger circuits to see if they are keeping the gate voltage up.
#5
10-14-2007, 06:00 PM
 recca02 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: India-22.35° N 82.68° E. Posts: 1,211

here is my pitiful try,
i will be able to get thru with the presentation since there is a million times better 'premade' circuit with a customized pulse generator to do the trick in the matlab library but i wud like to get mine working as well.
if any other detail is reqd please ask there seem to be many parameters i have no idea how to configure .
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#6
10-14-2007, 09:32 PM
 SgtWookie Expert Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: In the vast midwest of the USA; CST Posts: 22,038

Recca, have you considered MOSFETS?

There are some mighty beefy ones out there nowadays, with amazingly high current capabilities - even in a TO220 package. On-state resistance in small fractions of Ohms. Gate current ridiculously small.

Kick the tires on some N-channel MOSFETS. Try looking around International Rectifier's site in the IRF7xx series as a starting point.
IRF730; N-Channel 400v, Rds(on) 0.75 Ohm, Id 5.5A, TO-220 MOSFET
IRF3415 has a max Vdss of 150, can do 43A, Rds(on)=0.042 Ohms. Those are some mighty impressive numbers for a TO220 case.
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#7
10-14-2007, 11:02 PM
 beenthere Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Missouri, USA (GMT -6) Posts: 15,815 Blog Entries: 10

Why didn't I think of that? Also, consider IGBT's (insulated gate bipolar transistors). They don't switch as fast as FET's, but handle more power.
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10-15-2007, 02:35 AM
 recca02 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: India-22.35° N 82.68° E. Posts: 1,211

thanks MR Sgtwookie and MR beenthere,
yeah most inverters now use IGBT's and pwm is possible i'll try that too. i'lll post back if i get it working somehow with the the goof up that i made

Last edited by recca02; 10-15-2007 at 02:37 AM.
#9
10-15-2007, 05:23 AM
 SgtWookie Expert Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: In the vast midwest of the USA; CST Posts: 22,038

200V is about the threshold for IGBT's; below that use MOSFET/HEXFETs.

Power MOSFETs are a snap to parallel, because of the positive temperature coefficient. If one MOSFET is carrying more current, it heats up, which raises it's on-state resistance, which causes it to carry less current. Just about everything else has a negative temp coefficient, which makes it much harder to parallel them efficiently; without careful planning, you'll wind up with runaway thermal conditions or lots of wasted energy.
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10-15-2007, 11:45 AM
 recca02 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: India-22.35° N 82.68° E. Posts: 1,211

actually i m studying applications of VFD for power plant auxiliaries so they must handle large power and voltages. right now i m studying about IGBT's .Will try to work out how MOSFETs compare to them for such applications ,thanks.
BTW i need one clarification about the carrier frequency for IGBT's : does the o/p voltage
for an inverter decrease with increase in carrier frequency-(will post back more info if required).

since i would like to simulate the simple circuit using scr (for satisfaction sake) .
here is a quote from wiki(on thyristors) please comment (i need your helps since i have no experience in power electronics-but will gain enough soon)
Quote:
 It should be noted that once avalanche breakdown has occurred, the thyristor continues to conduct, irrespective of the gate voltage, until either: (a) the potential VG is removed or (b) the current through the device (anode−cathode) is less than the holding current specified by the manufacturer. Hence VG can be a voltage pulse, such as the voltage output from a UJT relaxation oscillator.
so if i keep the pulse off after triggering for some time the SCR will turn off?
if so i think all i need to do is some rethinking about the firing pulses.
thanks for all the help thus far.

Last edited by recca02; 10-15-2007 at 12:48 PM. Reason: quote added

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