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Old 10-10-2009, 04:39 PM
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Question Another HHO rant

Nobody has ever proved that adding HHO to a gasoline engine increases the fuel economy. They just lie about it then sell their plans to somebody who believes their lies.
There are many HHO Scams.
Old 09-29-2010, 04:31 AM
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Default Simple cheap efie

I read all the replies above, and some, ( stating that HHO is not real ) are completely wrong. GOOGLE for Stanley Meyers. Go to and look for Stanley Meyers, the father of HHO, who was killed the next day after signing a deal to convert U.S. military Hummers to pure water...
HHO is too real - 5 pioneers who perfected the technique all were killed as soon as they established their devices!

Go to youtube to search simple cheap efie, and you will find plans and
diagrams for an incredibly cheap "old" style EFIE, ( not the 6 wire computer
O2 sensor EFIEs on many new cars that requires a computer interface )
The car you list is the "OLD" style, and can use this simple cheap efie.

As for the Pulse width modulator, all the designs for sale that I have found
require Sodium Hydroxide, or some agent, and require HIGH AMPERAGE.
The real pulse systems ( Stanley Meyers ) use a RESONATING control, that
uses " ANY " water ( there is a video of him stopping his car, going to the roadside ditch, and getting a cup of dirty ditch water, and pouring it in the engine ). The Meyer device does NOT use the high amp electrolysis now
commonly found, but uses an increasing "voltage" (as opposed to amperage ) over a period of cycles to gently ALIGN the HHO molecules, then after having the molecules all aligned in a VERY narrow space between two charged plates, a second series of pulses finally hammers the molecules, weakening the covalent bonds. This clever technique can use as low as about 3 or 4 VOLTS, at about 3 or 4 AMPS, and produces such huge amounts of HHO gas you can run you car entirely on water all day.
The "common" HHO+Sodium Hydroxide generator systems now use 20 amps, to 40 amps, and boil ( Meyres' containers barely got warm at all ).
So to get a Pulse Width Modulator that you are looking for, for the cheap, easy to build HHO + acid generators, you are really just pretending to do the "Meyers" methodology, and the PWM's are more practically used to LIMIT the AMPS, limit the Temperature, and Limit the VOLTAGES, so that you don't burn out your alternator ! Many cars now run HHO bubblers with NO Pulse Width Modulators at all, and work just fine- you just have to get the ACID concentration added EXACTLY right so that the acid added keeps about 20 amps or less so it does not boil or short the alternator.
For "real" Stanley Meyers information search google for Ravi%20Cell.pdf and StanleyMeyers Patents.pdf that really let you know what the actual goal is. It is too bad he did not post the critical details for his final perfected versions on the web before he was killed....
To make a "working " poor copy of a PWM ( plus acid ) you can search youtube for PWM diagrams, and there are lots of kits, plans, and finished devices. If you REALLY want to get going in a hurry, go to <SNIP> to order, with ALL the bits and pieces, a $1,201.90 control unit, NOT including the HHO plates, the tanks, the engine sensors etc.... ! A must!
A quick, cheap HHO plate gas generator can be made for $40 if you cut the stainless steel yourself, and use common gaskets and bolts available anywhere. The TANK can be a used Windshield Washer Tank from any vehicle, and most of the tubing and parts can be located at an Auto Junk yard ( U Pull It types )...

Good Luck


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Old 09-29-2010, 12:19 PM
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Old 09-29-2010, 12:40 PM
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The above rant was picked out of an old thread. Audioguru's post in included, as it apparently irritated the true believer into the rant.

The more-or-less OP (robindustygraves) might be a major grade scammer, judging from the post. We simply reply that each and every point raised is utter garbage. Take the time to read through the links in the linked post -

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