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Lightfire

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If every matter is made of an atom, then why can't we see atom?

For example, a gold. You can see gold with your naked eye, right? Gold is also a matter, so it is composed of atom? So we see atom? Where is atom exactly in the gold?:confused:
 

WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
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The gold, like all matter (outside of certain things like black holes and such), is almost entirely empty space. What we "see" is the result of interactions between light and the fields around and between the atoms in the gold. It's the same with your butt and the chair you are sitting on. No atom in your butt is actually touching any atom in the chair. But the fields interact and the resulting forces keep the atoms in your butt form simply slipping between the atoms in the chair (and the floor, and the ground, and everything else separating you from the center of the Earth).
 

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Lightfire

Joined Oct 5, 2010
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The gold, like all matter (outside of certain things like black holes and such), is almost entirely empty space. What we "see" is the result of interactions between light and the fields around and between the atoms in the gold. It's the same with your butt and the chair you are sitting on. No atom in your butt is actually touching any atom in the chair. But the fields interact and the resulting forces keep the atoms in your butt form simply slipping between the atoms in the chair (and the floor, and the ground, and everything else separating you from the center of the Earth).
Hello,

Thank you Wbahn. You gave me insight over this. What do you mean by "empty space". And how did you relate the bold text to the italicized one?

What do you call to the fields around and between the atoms in the gold?

Thanks a lot and please keep things as much as possible in layman's term. I can't understand some scientific wordings.
 

Wendy

Joined Mar 24, 2008
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Actually photographs of individual atoms have been taken, using a laser at resonance with with atom. Don't expect to see much, just a bright dot in empty space, but color is critical.

http://books.google.com/books?id=q37Ytybbp1sC&pg=PA97&lpg=PA97&dq=barium+atom+photograph&source=bl&ots=4rkCqARjTf&sig=_z9K1CdUHuTpL9i6cMIZzJlcdEU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=f2K3UKi4EqrI2AWAnIDoAg&ved=0CFgQ6AEwBjgK#v=onepage&q=barium%20atom%20photograph&f=false

I'm having trouble finding the actual picture, it is very unimpressive. Remember, what you are really seeing is the outermost electron being excited.

Then there are the atomic matrix pictures done with (don't remember the name of the equipment) a specialized probe that goes down to the point of one atom. QED? They are used in text books to show the impurities in semiconductor grade silicon.
 
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WBahn

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What is the mass density of gold?

What is the mass of a single gold atom?

How bit is the nucleas of a gold atom?

How many gold atoms are in a cubic centimeter of gold?

How much volume, on average, is "taken up" by a single gold atom?

What fraction of that volume is taken up by the actual gold nuclei?

The electrons, which are ultra tiny compared to the nucleus, are "swimming" in the void between the nuclei. Most stay relatively close to the nuclei they are bound to, but the outer shell (or two) of electrons interact with multiple nuclei depending on the particular nature of the bonds in that substance.
 

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Lightfire

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How far is atom to each other? So why gold is colored gold? Does that mean the atom is gold?

Why can't we see individual atoms though they are packed very closely to each other?

Why atom cannot be break down? For example, we have 1 atom and we have a very special scissor, would the atom be cutted or not? Is there are force that keep it not cut/divided?

Sorry, Google sometimes shows results i cant understand.
 

takao21203

Joined Apr 28, 2012
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How far is atom to each other? So why gold is colored gold? Does that mean the atom is gold?

Why can't we see individual atoms though they are packed very closely to each other?

Why atom cannot be break down? For example, we have 1 atom and we have a very special scissor, would the atom be cutted or not? Is there are force that keep it not cut/divided?

Sorry, Google sometimes shows results i cant understand.
this is related to the crystal matrix, not so much the atoms.
 

MvGulik

Joined Nov 3, 2011
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How far is atom to each other?
Depends on the number of protons/electrons in a particular atom type.
More electrons per atom makes them bigger (more electron shells), as atom interactions are generally only skin deep (outer shells)

So why gold is colored gold?
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Due to the the different absorption/reflection/etc behavior per atom type for different colors (cq: light, or electromagnetic radiation).
Gold mainly absorbs most visible light frequencies, except for some frequencies that (combined) are perceive as yellow. And as gold is also a metal its also perceived as highly reflective (mirror wise, if smoothly and polished)
(And because we classified the color we perceive from gold also as a specific color specification.)

Does that mean the atom is gold?
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When its a gold atom, or: its a atom that has 79 as atomic number (number of protons/electrons)

Why can't we see individual atoms though they are packed very closely to each other?
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Human scale: there just to tiny so be seen by our eye's
Atom scale: ... (lacking specific knowledge here to give a general answer)


Why atom cannot be break down? For example, we have 1 atom and we have a very special scissor, would the atom be cutted or not?
Atom's can, and do, brake down. see Nuclear_fission

Is there are force that keep it not cut/divided?
See weak nuclear force
 
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MvGulik

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Keep this thread alive
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Its your tread. Although splitting your atom question in more specific questions(topic's) would probably be better. Although that of course depends on what your target is for this topic. (A general random atom talk topic don't seems that useful in the long run to me.)
 

takao21203

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Gold has a specific color because the way the atoms are packed in the metal matrix. The atoms are all the same.

You can not mechanically cut individual atoms. With a very fine blade, you can shear off small clusters of atoms. However shearing off individual atoms is not practically possible.

Gold is inert however over a long time, it will oxydize, like all metals do. The Surface will actually be covered with oxid forms, sulphide forms, etc., whatever other element is possible to react with gold.

Also there is no such thing as pure gold there are always impurities. If you could shave off only one atom, and by chance hit a gold atom, then of course it would be pure.
 

takao21203

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Its your tread. Although splitting your atom question in more specific questions(topic's) would probably be better. Although that of course depends on what your target is for this topic. (A general random atom talk topic don't seems that useful in the long run to me.)
He does not properly understand about atoms. You also seem to lack a bit understanding of the difference between atoms and molecular matrix.

If chemical reactions are involved, people usually talk about ions, not individual atoms are considered.
 

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Lightfire

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Human scale: there just to tiny so be seen by our eye's
Atom scale: ... (lacking specific knowledge here to give a general answer)
Hmmm, I mean different.

Think of a glitter, a one glitter. Can you see a glitter in a far distance (say about 10 meters away)? But if they are packed together and they are many we can see that right?

Why in a 10x10x10 meter gold, can't we see atom? Unless there is only 10 atoms there, I can not understand it. In a 10m^3 gold,there are many atoms held together right?

Sorry for my bad understanding of atom .
 

takao21203

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Hmmm, I mean different.

Think of a glitter, a one glitter. Can you see a glitter in a far distance (say about 10 meters away)? But if they are packed together and they are many we can see that right?

Why in a 10x10x10 meter gold, can't we see atom? Unless there is only 10 atoms there, I can not understand it. In a 10m^3 gold,there are many atoms held together right?

Sorry for my bad understanding of atom .
This is because the eye is not a 1:1 WYSIWYG device.
Only 10% of what you see comes from your eyes. The rest is generated in your brain.

This mask is made from gold too.
 

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WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
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How far is atom to each other? So why gold is colored gold? Does that mean the atom is gold?

Why can't we see individual atoms though they are packed very closely to each other?

Why atom cannot be break down? For example, we have 1 atom and we have a very special scissor, would the atom be cutted or not? Is there are force that keep it not cut/divided?

Sorry, Google sometimes shows results i cant understand.
If you take the time to answer the questions I asked, you will see that atoms are not packed closely to each other. Atoms can, and do, break down. It is called nuclear fission. Sometimes it happens spontaneously and we call it radioactivity and other times it heppens because we force it to happen, typically by bombarding atoms with high energy neutrons.

I've already explained why gold is gold in color.
 
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